Sunday, March 20, 2005

The Shit Storm

Nothing unites Muslims like a good old fashioned Friday prayer that will lead to hell. Organized religion with its insistence on owning a penis before one can truly lead others in worship just got a little bit wackier. The Muslim world in the last two days has been rocked by an African-American woman leading a prayer.

Now just step back for a moment. A woman led a prayer to God and people are callng for her death. Prayer. Death threats. One more time. Prayer . . . Death threats.

If there is a God and he/she/it isn't on the side of Amina Wadud, then I'll take my chances in hell. I hear the drinks are better anyway. Besides I'm Black. How much harder can hell be?


Blogger sarah said...

my situation being helped? Please, save me the sob story. Amina Wadud is helping to spread misconceptions about women in Islam. Personally, I don't even know why you have anything to say on this issue. After all, you'd rather go to hell anyways, no?

It's always interesting when an american muslim can't see when someone is trying to make him look bad.

10:14 AM  
Blogger crossfader72 said...

it is understandable that you are scared of change and would rather stay with the situation you know and can manuever rather than a new situation which you fear will expose you as a woman to harm. that's okay. I and Amnina Wadud and others believe that you, sarah, can be a learned enough muslim to lead others, you, for some reason don't. The fault is ours I suppose for thinking higher of you than you do yourself.

10:26 AM  
Blogger sarah said...

You're missing the entire point of the matter. Hadrat A'isha radiatallah anha was the most learned indiviudal after the prophet's death, The mother of the believers. Even the Khalifat went to her and sought her advice. A true respected leadership position, by a woman.

My argument is with women leading Salat, which as far as I can tell, is unacceptable by the Qur'an and Sunnah [As is same-sex marriage, which is something else Professor Amina Wadud supports]

And I acutally don't fear new situations.I fear nothing, except the punishment that may await me in the next life, and my Lord.

2:20 PM  
Blogger crossfader72 said...

Well Amina think the Quran permits her to lead the Salat. The Quran permits slavery as well. Why don't you have slaves?

you give yourself the illusion of freedom by mentioning something that happened 1400 years to prove that you are free. Knowing that no traditional muslim in 2005 is going to defer to you or any other female. Which begs the question, what difference does it make what happen in the past when you as a woman don't have that power now?

4:37 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

I don't need to lead Salat in front of a mixed gender congregation to have freedom. My freedom is not being subject to the whims and fancies of what men want me to be. I am my own person, and I live my life for Allah. I don't need power, I don't need to create a publicity stunt to deem myself "powerful"

Your illusion of freedom is a woman leading salat?


"Knowing that no traditional muslim in 2005 is going to defer to you or any other female" You're right, no one will come to me. but hey look at Ingrid Mattson, one of the most respected Islamic Scholars in North America, a woman, who abides my the laws and regulations that Allah swt set down for her.

oh and about slaves. The slaves in the Rasul's time were treated A LOT better than the afican american slaves in North America. Those kind of "brotherly slaves" is what the Qur'an is referring to. Do your research bro.

5:27 PM  
Blogger crossfader72 said...

sarah don't kid yourself. slaves are never treated well that's why their called slaves and not friends.

you know that there are things your community won't allow you to do because you're a female. when you're older you'll realize it. you're just a kid trying to figure it all out. that's okay. Luckily your world has just been made a little better because what happened on Friday.

5:38 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

a kid trying to figure it all out? Please, give me a break. You know it's fine that we disagree and all, you know I honestly have enjoyed arguing with you. And you're right, my community does not allow me to do certain things, and maybe when I get older, it'll become more apparent to me, and I'll do something about it. But I will never do anything that I see as unIslamic, and something that there has been a sound fatwa against, to get my rights as a Muslim back. That's hypocrisy in itself.

Whatever Amina Wadud's little publicity stunt did, good for her. But it won't benefit me whatsover. Luckily, there are other Muslim women out there who will rise to leadership positions and present themeselves Islamically. Dr. Ingrid Mattson is the bomb!

Thank you. come again :)

8:37 PM  
Blogger crossfader72 said...

"But I will never do anything that I see as unIslamic, and something that there has been a sound fatwa against, to get my rights as a Muslim back. That's hypocrisy in itself."

neither would Amina. of course you are not at the stage to imagine that a "sound" fatwa is not really that sound. that takes time. and you have a lot of it. cheers.

8:49 PM  

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